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	<title>Comments on: Eddington Report Discussion Forum</title>
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	<description>Working to ease the increasing truck numbers in Maribyrnong.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what you're saying... Really surprised to hear that council supports the upgrade of Ashley and widening of Ballarat Rd. I thought there was very little support for that anywhere... here's the letter I sent into the papers the other day... 

Having spent some time reading and analysing the Eddington Truck Action Plan I am of the view that it represents a great opportunity for the West. It is not perfect and does need some tweaking but it acknowledges the problem of excessive truck traffic and, if implemented, will direct resources to badly needed infrastructure. 
The concerns expressed by residents of West Footscray, Maidstone and Tottenham, about the implications of the plan for these suburbs are fair enough. Many residents in these suburbs are worried that if the plan is implemented truck traffic will be diverted from the streets of Yarraville and forced onto Ballarat Rd via Ashley St. But it needs to be clearly stated that the Maribyrnong Truck Action group has never advocated the upgrade of Ashley St and widening of Ballarat Rd for the alleviation of truck traffic problems. The last thing we would want to see is the problem shifted from one suburb to another.
However, even though these aspects of Eddington’s proposal seem unnecessary that does not mean that the whole thing is flawed. In fact his Truck Action Plan comprises three options, each proposing a suite of measures. MTAG is currently engaged in developing a response as part of the community consultation phase of the project, we think there are good and bad aspects in each of the options and that a combination of elements of the three will produce the best results.
It’s too complicated to begin to describe how the whole thing might work in a short letter like this, and therein lies the problem with much of the criticism contained in recent coverage of the issue: it’s too simplistic. 
Overall though, what we have is the State Government prepared to spend money to get trucks off our streets. This is a good thing! I believe we need to get behind this as a community, to develop a unified response and support those who are pushing for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you&#8217;re saying&#8230; Really surprised to hear that council supports the upgrade of Ashley and widening of Ballarat Rd. I thought there was very little support for that anywhere&#8230; here&#8217;s the letter I sent into the papers the other day&#8230; </p>
<p>Having spent some time reading and analysing the Eddington Truck Action Plan I am of the view that it represents a great opportunity for the West. It is not perfect and does need some tweaking but it acknowledges the problem of excessive truck traffic and, if implemented, will direct resources to badly needed infrastructure.<br />
The concerns expressed by residents of West Footscray, Maidstone and Tottenham, about the implications of the plan for these suburbs are fair enough. Many residents in these suburbs are worried that if the plan is implemented truck traffic will be diverted from the streets of Yarraville and forced onto Ballarat Rd via Ashley St. But it needs to be clearly stated that the Maribyrnong Truck Action group has never advocated the upgrade of Ashley St and widening of Ballarat Rd for the alleviation of truck traffic problems. The last thing we would want to see is the problem shifted from one suburb to another.<br />
However, even though these aspects of Eddington’s proposal seem unnecessary that does not mean that the whole thing is flawed. In fact his Truck Action Plan comprises three options, each proposing a suite of measures. MTAG is currently engaged in developing a response as part of the community consultation phase of the project, we think there are good and bad aspects in each of the options and that a combination of elements of the three will produce the best results.<br />
It’s too complicated to begin to describe how the whole thing might work in a short letter like this, and therein lies the problem with much of the criticism contained in recent coverage of the issue: it’s too simplistic.<br />
Overall though, what we have is the State Government prepared to spend money to get trucks off our streets. This is a good thing! I believe we need to get behind this as a community, to develop a unified response and support those who are pushing for change.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rest assured Marty, the council did not support the widening of Ballarat road and Ashley street. You can see for yourself, their draft submission is on the council's website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest assured Marty, the council did not support the widening of Ballarat road and Ashley street. You can see for yourself, their draft submission is on the council&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been (mistakenly it appears) hopeful that the Maribyrnong Council understood that support of all the Eddington recommendations would ultimately shift the problem from Yarraville /Seddon through to Tottenham/West Footscray. Seriously, did Sir Eddington even come to that part of West Footscray? It hasn't been 'industrial' for many years - we've been here for 20 and there is hardly any left. We all know that to widen the Tottenham underpass, Ashley Street and Ballarat Road (which are increasingly residental and involve shopping areas, is a recipe for disaster. Can you image the trucks plowing through shopping areas, the hospital access areas and VUT with all the student foot traffic? Now that's what I call planning.
Several Maribyrnong Councillors indicated at a previous meeting that they did not support the Ashley Street/Ballarat Road parts of the proposal, but today's Mail says that they've opposed only one of the 20 recommendations in the report - and that was the one that gives Port of Melbourne Corp responsibility for implementing an 'intermodal hub network'. That makes me think they're now supporting the widening of Ashley Street and Ballarat Road.
The only hope we have is to band together and find a way that alleviates the current problems and does not merely shift them.  But it doesn't seem that our Council is going to be much help at all. Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been (mistakenly it appears) hopeful that the Maribyrnong Council understood that support of all the Eddington recommendations would ultimately shift the problem from Yarraville /Seddon through to Tottenham/West Footscray. Seriously, did Sir Eddington even come to that part of West Footscray? It hasn&#8217;t been &#8216;industrial&#8217; for many years - we&#8217;ve been here for 20 and there is hardly any left. We all know that to widen the Tottenham underpass, Ashley Street and Ballarat Road (which are increasingly residental and involve shopping areas, is a recipe for disaster. Can you image the trucks plowing through shopping areas, the hospital access areas and VUT with all the student foot traffic? Now that&#8217;s what I call planning.<br />
Several Maribyrnong Councillors indicated at a previous meeting that they did not support the Ashley Street/Ballarat Road parts of the proposal, but today&#8217;s Mail says that they&#8217;ve opposed only one of the 20 recommendations in the report - and that was the one that gives Port of Melbourne Corp responsibility for implementing an &#8216;intermodal hub network&#8217;. That makes me think they&#8217;re now supporting the widening of Ashley Street and Ballarat Road.<br />
The only hope we have is to band together and find a way that alleviates the current problems and does not merely shift them.  But it doesn&#8217;t seem that our Council is going to be much help at all. Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well what we're trying to do is engage in the process of finding solutions for all, as I said. The last thing we want to do is to shift the problem. The Sunshine Rd/Westgate link will hopefully alleviate truck traffic in Paramount Rd, Sredna St and Ashley St through the creation of a dedicated truck route. We are taking all feedback on board and will be lobbying for the best possible solution for all. Thanks for taking part in the discussions. Please stay in touch with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well what we&#8217;re trying to do is engage in the process of finding solutions for all, as I said. The last thing we want to do is to shift the problem. The Sunshine Rd/Westgate link will hopefully alleviate truck traffic in Paramount Rd, Sredna St and Ashley St through the creation of a dedicated truck route. We are taking all feedback on board and will be lobbying for the best possible solution for all. Thanks for taking part in the discussions. Please stay in touch with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Ranik</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi Ranik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
Sorry guys, I'm not with you.
. . .&#38; the reason I'm against you is for all the good reasons why you are protesting in the first place.  The new Eddington proposal simply replaces one suburban street with another.  Ashley street is not just any industrial street - it has houses and residents just like you.  It is bad enough that the (often) regionally marginalised people who live there have to put up with the chemical &#38; other pollution that drifts there way with any southerly or westerly wind, but you wish to place all of those trucks there as well.  Such people generally don't have the voice &#38; skills that you have in drawing attention to your problems.  Let's hope you truly understand that you are not in the moral high ground here by encouraging the Eddington solution . . by simply moving a problem from your back yard into someone elses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
Sorry guys, I&#8217;m not with you.<br />
. . .&amp; the reason I&#8217;m against you is for all the good reasons why you are protesting in the first place.  The new Eddington proposal simply replaces one suburban street with another.  Ashley street is not just any industrial street - it has houses and residents just like you.  It is bad enough that the (often) regionally marginalised people who live there have to put up with the chemical &amp; other pollution that drifts there way with any southerly or westerly wind, but you wish to place all of those trucks there as well.  Such people generally don&#8217;t have the voice &amp; skills that you have in drawing attention to your problems.  Let&#8217;s hope you truly understand that you are not in the moral high ground here by encouraging the Eddington solution . . by simply moving a problem from your back yard into someone elses.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, that one of the better ways to improve the freight situation, is to get smarter. How many trucks do you see that are not carrying any containers/goods? Why is it so hard to coordinate port activities?

One of the reasons the Ballarat Road widening is often suggested, is probably due to the large number of properties already owned by VicRoads, particularly on the south side.

Peter do you still have the figures for the stevedoring costs of rail compared with road?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, that one of the better ways to improve the freight situation, is to get smarter. How many trucks do you see that are not carrying any containers/goods? Why is it so hard to coordinate port activities?</p>
<p>One of the reasons the Ballarat Road widening is often suggested, is probably due to the large number of properties already owned by VicRoads, particularly on the south side.</p>
<p>Peter do you still have the figures for the stevedoring costs of rail compared with road?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Justine
We have never pushed for a widening of Ballarat Rd and it does seem problematic. Thanks for drawing it to our attention. The Paramount Rd link should take lots of port traffic off Ballarat Rd so it's hard to see why a widening would be necessary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Justine<br />
We have never pushed for a widening of Ballarat Rd and it does seem problematic. Thanks for drawing it to our attention. The Paramount Rd link should take lots of port traffic off Ballarat Rd so it&#8217;s hard to see why a widening would be necessary</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to my previous comment, I know that there has been some research that indicates road widening does not lead to reduced traffic. It, in fact, increases traffic. So the net result of widening Ballarat Road may even see an increase in traffic on local streets as people seek alternative routes.

The Eddington Report suggests that Ballarat Road is a bottleneck ('a constraint on the network') and that widening it would increase traffic flow. However it seems to me that the bottleneck derives from the fact that both Ballarat and Geelong Roads connect and are funneled into a single crossing of the Maribyrnong River. Widening Ballarat Road won't solve that problem.

The Public Transport Users Association has some more information on their website about how reducing so called traffic bottlenecks does not alleviate traffic congestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to my previous comment, I know that there has been some research that indicates road widening does not lead to reduced traffic. It, in fact, increases traffic. So the net result of widening Ballarat Road may even see an increase in traffic on local streets as people seek alternative routes.</p>
<p>The Eddington Report suggests that Ballarat Road is a bottleneck (&#8217;a constraint on the network&#8217;) and that widening it would increase traffic flow. However it seems to me that the bottleneck derives from the fact that both Ballarat and Geelong Roads connect and are funneled into a single crossing of the Maribyrnong River. Widening Ballarat Road won&#8217;t solve that problem.</p>
<p>The Public Transport Users Association has some more information on their website about how reducing so called traffic bottlenecks does not alleviate traffic congestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am interested in this discussion. As a resident of Droop Street in Footscray I was alarmed to learn of the Eddington Report's recommendation of a widening of Ballarat Road from Ashley street until the intersection with Geelong Road. As noted by Jeremy above, this road is primarily residential (with some industrial, medical and commercial usage). 

The DOI website appears to indicate that this was recommended as a way of taking truck traffic away from residential streets in Yarraville/Seddon (see Fact Sheet 5 on the Truck Action Plan). It seems to me that this is just shifting the problem from one residential area to another - less trucks in Francis St and Whitehall St but more trucks down Ballarat Rd (which already carries a large number of trucks).  

I have been concerned because from what I've seen in the media it seems as though both MTAG and Maribyrnong Council are supportive of this recommendation (because it has not specifically been excluded in any of the press releases I have read). I feel as though residents of Footscray, Maidstone and Braybrook are being done over in favour of those in other areas of Maribyrnong. As a number of people have noted above, it should be about shifting trucks from all areas in the west. It should be about getting smarter about our freight transport (e.g. less road widening and more rail improvements so that freight can be shifted from the port to pickup points for road freight which are in outer commercial/industrial parts of the city - this would be better than spending money on an east-west tunnel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am interested in this discussion. As a resident of Droop Street in Footscray I was alarmed to learn of the Eddington Report&#8217;s recommendation of a widening of Ballarat Road from Ashley street until the intersection with Geelong Road. As noted by Jeremy above, this road is primarily residential (with some industrial, medical and commercial usage). </p>
<p>The DOI website appears to indicate that this was recommended as a way of taking truck traffic away from residential streets in Yarraville/Seddon (see Fact Sheet 5 on the Truck Action Plan). It seems to me that this is just shifting the problem from one residential area to another - less trucks in Francis St and Whitehall St but more trucks down Ballarat Rd (which already carries a large number of trucks).  </p>
<p>I have been concerned because from what I&#8217;ve seen in the media it seems as though both MTAG and Maribyrnong Council are supportive of this recommendation (because it has not specifically been excluded in any of the press releases I have read). I feel as though residents of Footscray, Maidstone and Braybrook are being done over in favour of those in other areas of Maribyrnong. As a number of people have noted above, it should be about shifting trucks from all areas in the west. It should be about getting smarter about our freight transport (e.g. less road widening and more rail improvements so that freight can be shifted from the port to pickup points for road freight which are in outer commercial/industrial parts of the city - this would be better than spending money on an east-west tunnel).</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://mtag.org.au/NEWS/2008/04/02/eddington-report-released/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The off ramp from the Westgate Freeway onto Hyde Street is really confusing. Will the proposed off-ramp allow trucks (and cars?) to exit the Westgate and EITHER go along Hyde Street (north of Francis St) or Whitehall Street? 

The map above somewhat indicates that it will not, but there are a few large tanks in the way preventing the proposed road to be constructed.

Having x number of trucks travelling north along Hyde Street, would be equally (if not more) problematic than the issues along Francis Street.

BTW, nice discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The off ramp from the Westgate Freeway onto Hyde Street is really confusing. Will the proposed off-ramp allow trucks (and cars?) to exit the Westgate and EITHER go along Hyde Street (north of Francis St) or Whitehall Street? </p>
<p>The map above somewhat indicates that it will not, but there are a few large tanks in the way preventing the proposed road to be constructed.</p>
<p>Having x number of trucks travelling north along Hyde Street, would be equally (if not more) problematic than the issues along Francis Street.</p>
<p>BTW, nice discussion.</p>
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